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Post by Patty on Jan 4, 2012 20:37:13 GMT -5
I'm wondering what's going on, too. I know that Brian Cox is one of the greatest Shakespearean actors alive, so if they were going to give it to someone, it would probably be him. If Gerry has as much screen time as Brian, as GA says though, then it's a toss-up. You have to think, Harvey absolutely has the ear of the Academy and other awards groups, so if he pitched Coriolanus to them, they would have told him whether or not it stood a chance. He knew going in last year that The King's Speech was a shoe-in, which is why it was so dominant during the season.
Maybe it will have better success in the UK since Ralph and Vanessa have both been feted there quite recently. BAFTA doesn't always follow Hollywood's lead, so maybe they will nominate the lot of them since they would be on home turf, so to speak. I can't see Harvey walking away empty-handed; that's just not him at all. We'll have to pay attention to the British reaction starting next week, I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2012 21:05:00 GMT -5
I think that Coriolanus has become a victim of the strategy of Harvey Weinstein: This quote from a recent article tells the story: " When it comes to movies, Weinstein listens to himself and has five films in awards contention: “The Artist,” “My Week with Marilyn,” “Coriolanus,” Meryl Streep’s “Iron Lady” and Madonna’s “W.E.”attempt of Weinstein Films to continue their streak of picking award winning films. And this year they really had their pick of which films they would back since they secure all of the major contenders "I think it would have been better if Coriolanus was picked up and backed by another studio and I think they would have been in the competition. As it is Weinstein picked his potential winners to back and they are The Artist, Iron Lady and My Week with Marilyn. Hopefully the film will do better in the UK at the BAFTA's. shellie
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Post by gersarchitect on Jan 4, 2012 21:26:09 GMT -5
I think you hit the nail on the head, Shellie2. But I wonder why Weinstein picked the other movies for backing. They must think they have better chances with the academy. I would love to know their reasoning. But then I have only seen Coriolanus, maybe it would become clear after watching The Artist and some of the other contenders. Last year I've read an article saying Coriolanus will be this year's Kings Speech.... I guess not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2012 22:35:49 GMT -5
I think you hit the nail on the head, Shellie2. But I wonder why Weinstein picked the other movies for backing. They must think they have better chances with the academy. I would love to know their reasoning. But then I have only seen Coriolanus, maybe it would become clear after watching The Artist and some of the other contenders. Last year I've read an article saying Coriolanus will be this year's Kings Speech.... I guess not. I think Weinstein decided to back the films that had the best Box office potential and widest audience appeal and they are: The Artist, Iron Lady and My Week With Marilyn. I think even W.E. fit that profile of wider audience appeal. Unfortunately, Coriolanus is only getting a limited release on Jan. 20th so it is obvious they are not expecting a box office hit. Shakespeare doesn't sell in the U.S. But, it is still hard to believe that Vanessa Redgrave would not get a nomination for Supporting Actress. shellie Edited to add the list of films being released on Jan 20th, Yikes..... nothing like picking a weekend crowded with wide releases and a bunch of limited releases: From Box Office Mojo: Haywire Action Relativity Wide Red Tails Action / Adventure Fox Wide Underworld Awakening Action Horror Sony Wide 3,000+ theaters Limited: CarolChanning:LargerThanLifeDocumentary Coriolanus Period Drama Weinstein Company Crazy Horse (on Wed.) Documentary Ultrasuede Documentary The Viral Factor Foreign Watching TV With the Red ChineseAnd Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close is having a WIDE expansion. Not seeing much hope for any Box office glory for Coriolanus.
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Post by gersarchitect on Jan 4, 2012 23:19:08 GMT -5
There must be other reasons too though because often small movies without a wide release still get Oscar nods. Well, I guess they did screen the movies and maybe some of the feedback made them decide against Coriolanus.....
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Post by Dianne on Jan 4, 2012 23:40:48 GMT -5
Re Gerry's role in Coriolanus. I would say he has as much screen times as Cox (I have seen the movie in Toronto). Gerry has some great juicy scenes and acts circles around Ralph. For me he made the movie watchable. (overall it's just not my cup of tea plus I hardly understood them. If you're not familiar with Shakesperean English it's a tough one especially if English is not your native tongue.) Gerry was very charismatic in the movie and made so much of a character that didn't have huge emotional scenes like other characters. But he played a passionate character who has to keep his emotions under control with absolute perfection. Even some reviews I have read mentioned that he was Oscar worthy. He definitely had enough screen time for a supporting nod, others have been nominated for much less. But something weird has happened, the whole movie seems to get overlooked. i think i'm actually more surprised that the entire movie and cast got ignored, since buzz and reviews on both have been overwhelmingly positive. gerry too, of course, but after the big deal reviewers have made about both redgrave and cox, i thought at least one of them would get a nod. have to see how the oscars pan out i guess, but i'm not holding my breath since all the "indicator" awards have ignored coriolanus for some reason. and not to start a fight with you Dianne, but i actually like Jolie LOL!!! No worries. I can't get over her weirdness with her brother and the strange affair with Billy Bob. I've never seen Tomb Raider, The Cradle of Life because I can't bring myself to watch a movie with her in it. That's just my hang-up though. I want to stay on topic with Gerry but I thought of Johnny Depp and realized he hasn't won an oscar either and I think he's brilliant in just about everything. Also I just watched The Kings Speech (awesome) and Helena Bonham Carter for that matter is excellent in everything she does... yet no Oscar.... or am I wrong? What's wrong with Hollywood?
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Post by bluebutterfly on Jan 5, 2012 2:14:15 GMT -5
i think i'm actually more surprised that the entire movie and cast got ignored, since buzz and reviews on both have been overwhelmingly positive. gerry too, of course, but after the big deal reviewers have made about both redgrave and cox, i thought at least one of them would get a nod. have to see how the oscars pan out i guess, but i'm not holding my breath since all the "indicator" awards have ignored coriolanus for some reason. and not to start a fight with you Dianne, but i actually like Jolie LOL!!! No worries. I can't get over her weirdness with her brother and the strange affair with Billy Bob. I've never seen Tomb Raider, The Cradle of Life because I can't bring myself to watch a movie with her in it. That's just my hang-up though. I want to stay on topic with Gerry but I thought of Johnny Depp and realized he hasn't won an oscar either and I think he's brilliant in just about everything. Also I just watched The Kings Speech (awesome) and Helena Bonham Carter for that matter is excellent in everything she does... yet no Oscar.... or am I wrong? What's wrong with Hollywood? Fair enough on Jolie. I just kind of look at all that like a bad phase that she seems to have grown out of. Six kids, a decade of hard-core charity and advocacy work, etc. But i get why others don't like her still. As to Gerry and the Oscars---yeah Helena and Johnny are definitely overdue. I would say on Gerry's part that he's not overdue, per se, but he hopefully will get there soon. At the same time, I think about something Morgan Freeman said to Piers Morgan during his interview this past year---he was basically asked if it sucked that he had been nominated so many times and not really won (i think he's got one maybe?), and Morgan said he would prefer to be nominated over and over, because that was recognition but it left you somewhere to go. His perspective was that once you won the Oscar, it's kind of a career high, very few people win again, so why not get nominated a bunch of times instead? Thought it was an interesting way to look at it.
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Post by Dianne on Jan 5, 2012 8:26:35 GMT -5
LOL!!! No worries. I can't get over her weirdness with her brother and the strange affair with Billy Bob. I've never seen Tomb Raider, The Cradle of Life because I can't bring myself to watch a movie with her in it. That's just my hang-up though. I want to stay on topic with Gerry but I thought of Johnny Depp and realized he hasn't won an oscar either and I think he's brilliant in just about everything. Also I just watched The Kings Speech (awesome) and Helena Bonham Carter for that matter is excellent in everything she does... yet no Oscar.... or am I wrong? What's wrong with Hollywood? Fair enough on Jolie. I just kind of look at all that like a bad phase that she seems to have grown out of. Six kids, a decade of hard-core charity and advocacy work, etc. But i get why others don't like her still. As to Gerry and the Oscars---yeah Helena and Johnny are definitely overdue. I would say on Gerry's part that he's not overdue, per se, but he hopefully will get there soon. At the same time, I think about something Morgan Freeman said to Piers Morgan during his interview this past year---he was basically asked if it sucked that he had been nominated so many times and not really won (i think he's got one maybe?), and Morgan said he would prefer to be nominated over and over, because that was recognition but it left you somewhere to go. His perspective was that once you won the Oscar, it's kind of a career high, very few people win again, so why not get nominated a bunch of times instead? Thought it was an interesting way to look at it. You know, you're right on!
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Post by pammibehave on Jan 5, 2012 12:33:19 GMT -5
Happy New Year!! Interesting topic. Since I'm very new to "Gerry's World", I may be off base so I apologize in advance. I read Patty’s post and thought about this on and off since. Just as it is in any career genre there is a “political” game to be played. After 15 years in the software industry and watching my friends and colleagues claw their way up the ladder , stepping on and over who ever got in their way all in the quest for power and the almighty buck I got out for a “life”. Maybe Gerry’s situation has been similar – I don’t mean leaving the industry per se, but choosing roles that work for him personally – whether it be a role that grabs his attention or working with people he likes, admires……. Bottom line – it is “work”, what we all do everyday. At this point in his life, maybe it’s about personal satisfaction and happiness rather than glory? A perspective change perhaps , after being “used”, to what is important in life – family, travel, etc…. Surprising your perspective at 30 is amazingly different at 40. MGP? Ok so it’s not getting the industry attention it deserves. Sounds like the role and topic meant more to him than money or adulation. If the message of the movie reached just one person to join the cause or any cause to make a difference than I say Gerry is already a winner – no gold statue can match that. Reading all your posts around the forum it is clear that he is “real”, respected, and a good person. Good things come to good people – his time will come and the success will be that much sweeter. A Jennifer Aniston comment – she never impressed me much. I could never put my finger on it but something feels off about that chick. JC – how long she milked the sympathy card when her marriage to Brad ended. To date I say there was something else going on in that marriage, it wasn’t just Angelina Jolie. She was probably just the catalyst. I have no doubt JA and her team milked that baby. And the smelly Gerry comment? That whole Unscripted scenario with Justin Bateman screamed typical high school bullshit. How adult? Ah Jen - Hello – although I think Brad is hot – there were/are times when the man really looks/ed like HE smells/ed. Pleeeeaaaaassssse! Sorry that went on a bit longer than I intended….. Cheers
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Post by Dianne on Jan 5, 2012 12:37:49 GMT -5
Happy New Year!! Interesting topic. Since I'm very new to "Gerry's World", I may be off base so I apologize in advance. I read Patty’s post and thought about this on and off since. Just as it is in any career genre there is a “political” game to be played. After 15 years in the software industry and watching my friends and colleagues claw their way up the ladder , stepping on and over who ever got in their way all in the quest for power and the almighty buck I got out for a “life”. Maybe Gerry’s situation has been similar – I don’t mean leaving the industry per se, but choosing roles that work for him personally – whether it be a role that grabs his attention or working with people he likes, admires……. Bottom line – it is “work”, what we all do everyday. At this point in his life, maybe it’s about personal satisfaction and happiness rather than glory? A perspective change perhaps , after being “used”, to what is important in life – family, travel, etc…. Surprising your perspective at 30 is amazingly different at 40. MGP? Ok so it’s not getting the industry attention it deserves. Sounds like the role and topic meant more to him than money or adulation. If the message of the movie reached just one person to join the cause or any cause to make a difference than I say Gerry is already a winner – no gold statue can match that. Reading all your posts around the forum it is clear that he is “real”, respected, and a good person. Good things come to good people – his time will come and the success will be that much sweeter. A Jennifer Aniston comment – she never impressed me much. I could never put my finger on it but something feels off about that chick. JC – how long she milked the sympathy card when her marriage to Brad ended. To date I say there was something else going on in that marriage, it wasn’t just Angelina Jolie. She was probably just the catalyst. I have no doubt JA and her team milked that baby. And the smelly Gerry comment? That whole Unscripted scenario with Justin Bateman screamed typical high school bullshit. How adult? Ah Jen - Hello – although I think Brad is hot – there were/are times when the man really looks/ed like HE smells/ed. Pleeeeaaaaassssse! Sorry that went on a bit longer than I intended….. Cheers Excellent post Pammi, and I think your perspective is on base.
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Post by milo on Jan 5, 2012 16:49:50 GMT -5
Great post Pammi.....I think you are right on also...
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Post by dawne27 on Jan 5, 2012 17:09:08 GMT -5
Woa! this thread must be printed off for later! i'll add just one small gesture....to all this conjecture....gerry is a poet....and, we certainly know it....so, why all the fuss....no more cuss, no more frenzy...who should care if JA & G were or weren't friendsy....all in all, no matter what the point to hollywoods total folly, gerry's "turn" will come faster than a trolley, without further delay....what rhymes may come....this 'too shall pass'..... across whispering lips .....tomorrows a new day ............
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Post by gerardsgurl on Jan 6, 2012 14:38:37 GMT -5
I'm enjoying this subject as well. All the insight and opinions. This is turning into an excellent thread. Good job Gerardsgurl for starting this discussion. Thanks alot dear Dianne, and thanks to all who are responding to the topic, I love how everyone is analyzing the situation, presenting their point of views, looking at the situation from different perspectives, I have to say this has been so enlightening and it made me look at Gerry from a neutral point of view, without being biased, you know I am totally regretting not being able to follow up regularily and read the posts even more thoroughly, however, I am still grateful to be able to pass by, even if it was every once in a while, whenever I am able to, I totally agree that (Bounty Hunter) has done more harm to Gerry than it did any good (Seriously Gerry? Bounty Hunter ?! What were you thinking ?), but yet, he can't be punished for eternity for making bad movie choices, But yet, Gerry should take some of the blame, I believe one of the mistakes he's done, was that he was more concerned about the quantity of his delivered work than quality, he wanted to stay on the scene, and I can't blame him for that, as they say "Out of sight out of mind", and as you might know, Hollywood shows no mercy !! I also blame him for not being discrete, his relationship with the media is kind of awkward, I know he acts naturally without faking it, but this did no good to him either !! (I hate TMZ making fun of Gerry 24/7, and that song they made for him gets on my nerves !!) Furthermore, he's established himself as a RomCom kinda guy, yet, he has redeemed himself in both MGP and Coriolanus, Still not full redemption, but he is getting there "Hopefully" Gerry's snubness is multifactorial, and people are showing no mercy, awaiting him to screw up with so much anticipation, I love Gerry So very much, It just hurts me what I keep reading about him on the internet: That he is a B-List Actor, a ladies man, an empty person, I think people, hollywood and the media are being so unfair and cruel to Gerry, The hurt I felt inside, for me & Gerry (I believe he is hurt) is what made me come here, this topic is my venting,
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Post by Dianne on Jan 6, 2012 15:17:25 GMT -5
Gerry's far from out, I believe he will come back with a vengeance. Will 2012 be his year?
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Post by gerardsgurl on Jan 6, 2012 15:18:03 GMT -5
frankly i think gerry could use a little bossy with silly jokes and a bit of a temper. otherwise he probably won't pay enough attention to the relationship for it to last and yes, thank you to GG for starting the thread, it really has taken some interesting turns! You're welcome butterfly And thanks to you and every single person writing on this thread, it's really enlightening, I love everyone's way of thinking
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