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Post by bluebutterfly on Jan 2, 2012 20:53:15 GMT -5
Oh Fifi, you bring up a great point. BH was Gerry's last wide release in the US with the exception of HTTYD. That means PTF has to be extra good and should not be promoted as a romcom. Gerry obviously didn't know that MGP wouldn't get a wide release and he would have PTF following BH. Let's hope Coriolanus will be seen by more than just the art house crowd but I have some doubts about that. maybe even if that's true the critics that do reviews/interviews around PTF will have the decency to mention it anyways so that it doesn't look like TBH is his last big role...here's hoping
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Post by Dianne on Jan 2, 2012 21:15:56 GMT -5
I'm enjoying this subject as well. All the insight and opinions. This is turning into an excellent thread. Good job Gerardsgurl for starting this discussion.
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Post by Dianne on Jan 2, 2012 21:26:29 GMT -5
"hottest guy with a partially deformed face ever." don't know why, but this one made me must've caught me just right. i remember that being mentioned by critics at the time too, said gerry was too pretty to be scary ;D LOL!!! I'm so glad Gerry got the phantom role but he was so much better looking than Patrick Wilson's Raoul. Maybe I shouldn't say better looking than Raoul but he had so much more sex appeal. Gerry just oozed sex appeal as the phantom. The tight sexy costumes and his fake "bubble butt" ass made my heart beat a little faster. He looked so good with the mask on that when the mask came off you thought...."Eh, I can live with half a face!"
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Post by irishrockchick on Jan 2, 2012 21:50:54 GMT -5
I wouldn't care if he had no face with those eyes and that rock and roll voice I'd still fancy him. He better not be a distant cousin cos that would just ruin this crush for me. Just pray he ain't one Gerard Butler in the family is enough. Well unless God was ever kind to me and granted me with him as a hubby. But it's very unlikely cos who'd want a childish, bossy redhead who cracks silly jokes and has a temper to boot, as a wife. Do worry guys I ain't going to stalk him just dreaming a lil.
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Post by bluebutterfly on Jan 2, 2012 22:59:31 GMT -5
frankly i think gerry could use a little bossy with silly jokes and a bit of a temper. otherwise he probably won't pay enough attention to the relationship for it to last and yes, thank you to GG for starting the thread, it really has taken some interesting turns!
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Post by Patty on Jan 2, 2012 23:21:53 GMT -5
Coincidentally, I had a conversation with a childhood friend today to wish him merry merry and he brought up something I had completely forgotten about and it relates to this thread. I am aware that this is public and will be viewed by many in the entertainment industry, so I will try to be succinct. Did you guys know you were kind of famous? You are scanned frequently by bloggers, tabloids, etc.... Anywho, my friend was let go from Miramax last summer after 18 years of service; he was there when Harvey & Bob Weinstein still owned it. When I asked him last year what happened he said, "The Bounty Hunter". Some here have speculated as to why no one will let TBH go, so I will try to explain from someone who was there. For most people, a movie is a movie, but for Jen TBH was her ticket to being the Queen of Hollywood. Her career is built on deals with everyone she can find to keep her relevant and powerful. Team Aniston developed a 50/40/10 formula to make Jen one of the most famous and powerful people in the industry. Her power (and fame) is based on 50% - Brad/Angelina, 40% - the guy she is dating, just broke up with or rumored to be dating, 10% - Jen's hot, her hair, diet, make-up, etc... If you take a close look at her press since 2004, this is what she has used as leverage and has been able to dominate the media to the point where she has become inescapable. Jen did not have the juice to make the leap to Queen status on her own, but realized that Gerry did have enough for her. She was able to negotiate billions of dollars worth of deals from the end of 2008 through 2009, with the promise that she would deliver Gerry. It was her usual MO of making the long-term deal of dictating when the dating would begin, when the break-up would start, etc... But, this time, Gerry would not agree so extreme, career-threatening pressure was applied. He still would not bend because he knew that eventually his career would be destroyed anyway. When it was all over March 31, 2010, more than a bad movie was left behind. Jen was the spokesperson for the girly-girls and acted as a conduit of information for them. Through her deals with the media, Saint Anniston, as bluebutterfly calls her , had a free reign of terror, which she used to hurt many, many, many people. Her message of "just flick your hair, be hot, manipulate men, kids are bad, relationships are worse, throw your legs up as often as possible and you can be just like me", was never questioned because it empowered so many people. That message, along with "men are stupid oafs just waiting to be used", was about to become their slogan, but she needed proof. Bagging the biggest "whale/alpha male" in Hollywood was what she needed, but in the process it became personal for her; a one-sided relationship, if you will, and a thirst for fame that became an obsession. The MoneyJen convinced Miramax that she could deliver Gerry, but she would need money to do it. A LOT OF MONEY. The campaign started with Love Happens, where she was given an unprecedented amount of promotion for a rom-com to the tune of about $100 million. The movie made roughly $40 million, but everybody knew she was chasing Gerry, which was the point; not that the movie made money. The press for TBH lasted for over a year, which was too long for anything that hadn't happened yet, but it was never about the movie, it was that Jen was going to deliver Gerry. There was more than twice the amount spent overall on TBH than Love Happens, but that's not the whole story. The one thing that has gone completely unnoticed, which my friend had to remind me of, was an unprecedented cable deal that Miramax/Disney made, which was to last through to The Switch. They made deals with several cable companies to run Jen/Gerry movies back to back, 24 hours a day, including banner ads, basic and premium channels from February 1st, 2010 to August 2010. When I say non-stop, that's exactly what I mean. I don't know if anyone else noticed it, but it irritated me to no end. However, that cost Miramax millions of dollars per day, so you do the math. It also meant that all resources went to Jen's movies, to the detriment of namely, Clive Owen, who lost out on a potential Oscar nomination for The Boys are Back, because there were no promotional dollars left for him. TBH made $158 million (?-correction), which was a pittance in terms of recompence for Miramax/Disney. At no time did Jen, the media or the studios believe that Gerry could withstand the screws being put to him, so there was no plan B. Gerry has carried the brunt of the blame publicly, but Jen has carried it behind the scenes. When he walked away from her and the deal the industry was offering him (which Bradley Cooper took, by the way), the beginnings of the corporate firing began. The media had essentially fallen into a vacuum without Jen's inane musings and image to use, which gave rise to Beiber Fever and the Kardashians, to name a few. They are losing money everyday with that toxic cocktail. That is one of the reasons Gerry does not appear on any of the afternoon entertainment shows; they are unforgiving even though it's their fault that they believed Jen even when he told them no. More significantly, Gerry provided cover for Brad and Angie to FINALLY get away from her, while Gerry was planning his escape as well. No man with any kind of juice would come near her, either personally or professionally. Remember, Jen's movies only make money if there is someone with big box office with her. After the TBH debacle, Disney finally unloaded Miramax onto a consortium of investors and their first order of business was to clean house. They made an announcement that they would not be making any new movies for the foreseeable future, which is how my friend lost his job. Disney also announced that they would no longer be making fairy tales. They were still tied to Jen and were forced to (again) give her additional moneys to push The Switch, which flopped horribly, too. But, they got rid of her, at the cost of having to change their ideology (princesses were no longer in vogue). All of Jen's movie deals following TBH were made while she was still in the glow of Hollywood's favor, but she hasn't been able to get a gig since. Her prestige film, Goree Girls was replaced with her upcoming February movie, which is her last. If you check IMDb, for the first time in 20 years, Jen is UNEMPLOYED!! Since she lost 90% of her press, she is useless to everyone, which explains her sudden move to New York. So, to paraphrase it all, Gerry has affected many entities including the media overall (especially the tabloids), NBC/Universal, Miramax, Disney, Smart Water, her perfume; did I miss any? You can't walk away from that no matter whom you are. It's almost as though he took down the entire establishment in one swift move. I have unbelievable respect for this man. He took them all on and he's still standing, which is more than I can say for them, especially Jen. He is also more respected amongst his peers than the public knows because he stuck it to them, which I suspected, but I now know for sure. I did NOT intend to write this much, but once it started to come out, I couldn't stop. I am so, so, sorry.
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Post by gersarchitect on Jan 2, 2012 23:22:18 GMT -5
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Post by gersarchitect on Jan 2, 2012 23:32:46 GMT -5
Wow, Patty, that is a lot to digest... I have to read it more than once... But wow, reality is weirder than any movie...
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Post by swansong on Jan 2, 2012 23:40:41 GMT -5
Coincidentally, I had a conversation with a childhood friend today to wish him merry merry and he brought up something I had completely forgotten about and it relates to this thread. I am aware that this is public and will be viewed by many in the entertainment industry, so I will try to be succinct. Did you guys know you were kind of famous? You are scanned frequently by bloggers, tabloids, etc.... Anywho, my friend was let go from Miramax last summer after 18 years of service; he was there when Harvey & Bob Weinstein still owned it. When I asked him last year what happened he said, "The Bounty Hunter". Some here have speculated as to why no one will let TBH go, so I will try to explain from someone who was there. For most people, a movie is a movie, but for Jen TBH was her ticket to being the Queen of Hollywood. Her career is built on deals with everyone she can find to keep her relevant and powerful. Team Aniston developed a 50/40/10 formula to make Jen one of the most famous and powerful people in the industry. Her power (and fame) is based on 50% - Brad/Angelina, 40% - the guy she is dating, just broke up with or rumored to be dating, 10% - Jen's hot, her hair, diet, make-up, etc... If you take a close look at her press since 2004, this is what she has used as leverage and has been able to dominate the media to the point where she has become inescapable. Jen did not have the juice to make the leap to Queen status on her own, but realized that Gerry did have enough for her. She was able to negotiate billions of dollars worth of deals from the end of 2008 through 2009, with the promise that she would deliver Gerry. It was her usual MO of making the long-term deal of dictating when the dating would begin, when the break-up would start, etc... But, this time, Gerry would not agree so extreme, career-threatening pressure was applied. He still would not bend because he knew that eventually his career would be destroyed anyway. When it was all over March 31, 2010, more than a bad movie was left behind. Jen was the spokesperson for the girly-girls and acted as a conduit of information for them. Through her deals with the media, Saint Anniston, as bluebutterfly calls her , had a free reign of terror, which she used to hurt many, many, many people. Her message of "just flick your hair, be hot, manipulate men, kids are bad, relationships are worse, throw your legs up as often as possible and you can be just like me", was never questioned because it empowered so many people. That message, along with "men are stupid oafs just waiting to be used", was about to become their slogan, but she needed proof. Bagging the biggest "whale/alpha male" in Hollywood was what she needed, but in the process it became personal for her; a one-sided relationship, if you will, and a thirst for fame that became an obsession. The MoneyJen convinced Miramax that she could deliver Gerry, but she would need money to do it. A LOT OF MONEY. The campaign started with Love Happens, where she was given an unprecedented amount of promotion for a rom-com to the tune of about $100 million. The movie made roughly $40 million, but everybody knew she was chasing Gerry, which was the point; not that the movie made money. The press for TBH lasted for over a year, which was too long for anything that hadn't happened yet, but it was never about the movie, it was that Jen was going to deliver Gerry. There was more than twice the amount spent overall on TBH than Love Happens, but that's not the whole story. The one thing that has gone completely unnoticed, which my friend had to remind me of, was an unprecedented cable deal that Miramax/Disney made, which was to last through to The Switch. They made deals with several cable companies to run Jen/Gerry movies back to back, 24 hours a day, including banner ads, basic and premium channels from February 1st, 2010 to August 2010. When I say non-stop, that's exactly what I mean. I don't know if anyone else noticed it, but it irritated me to no end. However, that cost Miramax millions of dollars per day, so you do the math. It also meant that all resources went to Jen's movies, to the detriment of namely, Clive Owen, who lost out on a potential Oscar nomination for The Boys are Back, because there were no promotional dollars left for him. TBH made $158 million (?-correction), which was a pittance in terms of recompence for Miramax/Disney. At no time did Jen, the media or the studios believe that Gerry could withstand the screws being put to him, so there was no plan B. Gerry has carried the brunt of the blame publicly, but Jen has carried it behind the scenes. When he walked away from her and the deal the industry was offering him (which Bradley Cooper took, by the way), the beginnings of the corporate firing began. The media had essentially fallen into a vacuum without Jen's inane musings and image to use, which gave rise to Beiber Fever and the Kardashians, to name a few. They are losing money everyday with that toxic cocktail. That is one of the reasons Gerry does not appear on any of the afternoon entertainment shows; they are unforgiving even though it's their fault that they believed Jen even when he told them no. More significantly, Gerry provided cover for Brad and Angie to FINALLY get away from her, while Gerry was planning his escape as well. No man with any kind of juice would come near her, either personally or professionally. Remember, Jen's movies only make money if there is someone with big box office with her. After the TBH debacle, Disney finally unloaded Miramax onto a consortium of investors and their first order of business was to clean house. They made an announcement that they would not be making any new movies for the foreseeable future, which is how my friend lost his job. Disney also announced that they would no longer be making fairy tales. They were still tied to Jen and were forced to (again) give her additional moneys to push The Switch, which flopped horribly, too. But, they got rid of her, at the cost of having to change their ideology (princesses were no longer in vogue). All of Jen's movie deals following TBH were made while she was still in the glow of Hollywood's favor, but she hasn't been able to get a gig since. Her prestige film, Goree Girls was replaced with her upcoming February movie, which is her last. If you check IMDb, for the first time in 20 years, Jen is UNEMPLOYED!! Since she lost 90% of her press, she is useless to everyone, which explains her sudden move to New York. So, to paraphrase it all, Gerry has affected many entities including the media overall (especially the tabloids), NBC/Universal, Miramax, Disney, Smart Water, her perfume; did I miss any? You can't walk away from that no matter whom you are. It's almost as though he took down the entire establishment in one swift move. I have unbelievable respect for this man. He took them all on and he's still standing, which is more than I can say for them, especially Jen. He is also more respected amongst his peers than the public knows because he stuck it to them, which I suspected, but I now know for sure. I did NOT intend to write this much, but once it started to come out, I couldn't stop. I am so, so, sorry. This is fascinating insight into what appears to be a thoroughly nasty industry. After reading through your post, I could not be more proud of Gerry for resisting "Jen's" *deal* Although TBH may have come close to ruining Gerry's career, I am confident that he will build it back up the hard way: one movie at a time and with his integrity intact. It's hard to believe what games go on behind the scenes in the entertainment business. I hope Gerry continues to play that game on his own terms. I just adore him. Swannie
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Post by gersarchitect on Jan 2, 2012 23:53:10 GMT -5
Yes, Gerry will recover from the TBH fallout. He is talented and other talent like directors will recognize that. Like Ridley Scott wanting to work with him. In a few years he'll be an Oscar winner and Jen will star in made for TV movies. No wonder that he talks about getting burnt out by the movie industry. That's a shame that this is such a political game... But money often rules over quality.
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Post by bluebutterfly on Jan 2, 2012 23:55:07 GMT -5
Patty...WOW!! Thanks for sharing all of that with us. GA's right, that is alot to digest (in a good way). Read it thru a couple of times myself, and all i can say is...DAMN! I knew St. Aniston bugged the hell out of me, and i've never bought her media hype machine (i'm so hot, i'm so nice, blah, blah), but i didn't guess just how deep the roots went. i've been a little critical of gerry in the past for his part in the media blitz around TBH---now it looks like i have to give him serious props instead... VERY INTERESTING
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Post by swansong on Jan 3, 2012 0:24:54 GMT -5
"I'm also wondering if he is better suited to European productions such as Dear Frankie and RocknRolla" you know, that's a great point fifi. i often like him much better in what i would call "ensemble" pieces where he's not necessarily the lead, yet is. RNR is still one of my absolute favorites by him, am seriously excited to see if the sequel Ritchie has said he's finished writing actually comes to be. as to mainstream hollywood rom-coms....i agree i don't think gerry's suited to them overall. i think TUT was a special case, and that's why (imo) it worked. the character was a bit different, you had an equal partner in heigl, they weren't all whiny and emo about it. it was good. i think TBH failed for a whole lotta reasons, but one of the big ones for me as far as gerry was concerned was that they tried to make him a typical rom-com slob. it was just that extra step down from the mike chadway lovable rogue, and it wasn't believable. i just didn't buy that he could be that bounty hunter screw-up jerk. whatever his faults (different discussion ), gerry just doesn't project that much a-hole. oh & i agree about JA---can't watch her do "Rachel" over and over. would've avoided TBH just like all her other movies if it weren't for gerry. as it was, it was so hard to watch. i felt like he was trying so hard, and i couldn't help but think of that comment by him in some interview or other where he said that he'd shown up for work on past movies and known they were gonna be crap from day one, and how disappointing it was knowing you were gonna waste months of your life on it. I honestly despised TBH as a movie, and I would have felt the same way no matter who had played Milo. But the fact that Gerry was starring with Anniston made me hate it even more. I didn't feel that Gerry was at all "emotionally present" in that role, and I never bought the stupid plot for one second. I was actually angry as I walked out of the theater because I knew that he would be ripped to shreds for his bad work in a bad movie...and yet based on his past work...we all know he is capable of so much more. It was bloody painful to watch him, and the only reason I didn't walk out before it was over is because my sister was with me and she wouldn't leave early. Those of us who have seen Gerry's best work in films like Dear Frankie, The Jury, Phantom and Rock n Rolla could not understand why he even took on a stinker like TBH. Now things make a bit more sense. Swannie
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Post by fifiserafino on Jan 3, 2012 2:44:09 GMT -5
"Entourage" is my summer dvd series - talk about art imitating life!
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Post by fifiserafino on Jan 3, 2012 3:05:54 GMT -5
I agree that TBH was not the best movie, but it's not as bad as some that are out there. I really don't blame Gerry for wanting to do a lighter movie and have a little fun.( Maybe he doesn't want to be like Daniel Day Lewis and only do dramas - critics always want to pidgeon hole actors into just certain genres.)The cast of TBH was great - it just added up to a so-so movie. Most, if not all, actors have movies that were not good or bombed. Or they have movies that the critics hated and the audience liked them. The trouble is, Hollywood and critics have crucified Gerry for TBH and that's all they can talk about. He can't catch a break. That movie with Sandra Bullock and Bradley Cooper that was mentioned was absolutely horrid and they don't seem to crucify B. Cooper for it. I don't know if they are jealous of Gerry for being very handsome and a chick magnet or what. Hollywood seems like high school all over again - it has it's "popular" players like Leo, George, Brad and Matt Damon and they get all the good roles and all the great press. There aren't that many great movies out there, but those four guys seem to get whatever roles they want. What kills me is that the critics all bash Gerry for the roles he chooses like it's so easy. I'm sure it's been an uphill battle for him and also somewhat of a crapshoot as to which roles to pick. It's too bad that Gerry can't just choose roles that appeal to him at the time and not have to worry if he's going to please the critics and Hollywood. He's had wonderful and life changing experiences on many of his movies - but the critics don't care about any of that! lizzie bennett - what a great name - visions of all those scrummy Mr Darcys If Colin Firth hadn't got in first, our Gerry could have made a good job of that role. I can actually picture him in an English period classic ... any ideas?
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Post by Catty on Jan 3, 2012 3:35:42 GMT -5
Major WOW on your post Patty. The acting for the public and the politics behind the movie ( The BH ) is more interesting than the actual movie itself. Howard Stern asked Gerry about JA and i think from memory he said " he loved her, she is great , the best". If the information on your post is correct, I think we can assume he really means he hates her. Or is that harsh? Why he choose to make the BH I will never understand but there must be a reason. He could not have thought- from the script- that it would be a good movie?? or could he? So interesting....
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