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Post by gerrysspngal on Jan 3, 2012 23:13:13 GMT -5
First and foremost, thanks Patty for such an insightful post. Kudos to Gerry for not sacrificing his beliefs just to play JA & Hollywood's games. I have always admired him for being his own man and continue to do so, as well as Alan, who as his Manager could have quite easily coaxed him into doing so but didn't. I kind of knew something was amiss when I saw the JA/Jason Bateman interview where they made a comment about Gerry smelling bad. They tried to laugh it off and pass it as a joke but my gut feeling told me differently, despite some people saying I was overreacting. That's when I lost any thread of respect I may have had left for the woman after TBH press tour.....to think I used to like her and actually felt sorry for her Kind of sad to say though that I have now lost some respect for Bradley Cooper as well. But then he is just eye candy, not the love of my life like Gerry is! So in time he may be forgiven.... And I agree with lizziebennett, TBH wasn't the worst film ever, I have seen much, much worse. I thought it was cute and funny and Milo was HOT!!!! I even loved the plaid shirt, lol...actually bought one of Gerry's at auction. I think Knight & Day was a far worse option and am so glad he didn't take that instead. At the end of the day Gerry has to pay the bills some way so he can make choices to play roles like Sam in MGP and Tullus in Coriolanus where he will play roles he loves with a pay cut, and TBH paved the way to do that....so it can't be all bad. I am sure Gerry's time will come to him soon, you can only have so much Clooney, Pitt & Gosling (who all do absolutely nothing for me, btw...so overrated) before they will be burnt out and forgotten or starring in telemovies (ha! kind of like JA's future). Gerry is here for the long haul, his box office draw card can't be wrong! Heck even Sam said people mainly initially went to see MGP for Gerry! I just hope Ryan didn't sabotage MGP because of outside pressure, being a good friend of Gerry's and doing that would be IMO totally unforgiveable! And yes, Dianne totally agree with you about Patrick Wilson / Raoul....Gerry / Phantom was soooo much more sexier. I still to this day wanted Christine to run off with The Phantom in the movie version and don't know how on earth PW got chosen to play a superhero in Watchmen and again ended up with the girl over a huge blue man with a large Maybe he knows how to play the Hollywood game? lol Hang in there Gals, I am sure Gerry will get his Academy Award one day & we'll all be there cheering him on when he does.
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Post by gersarchitect on Jan 3, 2012 23:22:45 GMT -5
I don't think that Jen is the lone mastermind behind all this. Her name is not just one person but a whole industry and I think it's more her people who are behind a lot of this than herself. Sure she had part of it, she's desperate to stay relevant. But I wouldn't put the entire blame on her. Lots of smart and ruthless business people invested money into her. She is swimming with sharks. So is Gerry and any other famous person and you have to be careful and smart who you chose as your business partners in showbiz so you won't sell out the way she did. Jen went for people who promised that they could make her the most famous actress out there. As cheesy as it sounds, she got blinded by power. Some so called celebs are only popular because of some clever business people behind them like the Kardashians. Boy, that's bad, my autocorrect on iPad even knows their name and how to spell it....
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Post by fifiserafino on Jan 4, 2012 4:56:19 GMT -5
After chatting with gerrysspngal and scottishdreamer earlier, I came across this in an interview with Alex O'Loughlin: (Alex) says he’s glad that success came relatively late in life. Being knocked down gave him, he says, a sense of perspective and an eye-opening lesson in how the entertainment industry operates. “I think I got a really clear idea of the nature of this business. A really clear idea of the fact that it doesn’t mean anything: it doesn’t matter how good you are, it doesn’t even matter if you’re not good. You are far less important than you think you are. You are just a cog in a collaborative machine that is Hollywood.” The article is worth a read alexoloughlinrocks.com/alexoloughlin/alex-oloughlin-talks-five-0-with-gq-style
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Post by Dianne on Jan 4, 2012 11:07:17 GMT -5
gerrysspngal said: That irked me too. I saw that interview and I thought WTF! I brought it up on the board and someone said that they thought she was joking but I still thought it was a dig. A dig she really couldn't be called on because she would just be able to use the excuse that it was meant in fun and everybody needs to lighten up.
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Post by bluebutterfly on Jan 4, 2012 13:36:26 GMT -5
I've been pretty open about my rather strong distaste for JA, both as a person and as an actress. If you can hang out with Chelsea Handler and the photographer Terry Richardson (he took those now-famous first official photos of her and her new boyfriend, and he's a well known a-hole and perv who goes after young girls), then you aren't nearly as nice as anyone would have us believe. While I acknowledge that as GA said, her people are at least as responsible for all of this as she is, as the face of the "brand" she agreed to it and sanctioned it, or it wouldn't continue on like it does. And while I also acknowledge that PR games are as old as Hollywood itself, an actress with any measurable talent wouldn't choose to resort to this crap, at least not on the level that she's willing to wallow in it to promote her tired "Rachel" act over and over. So I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not all that surprised by any of these revelations, other than the depth of the deception. I don't think my estimation of her could get much lower, and like someone else said, I hope her career dies an agonizing death. Oh, and like Dianne and some others, I call BS on her "jokes" about Gerry and others. She's just trying to cover the spite. I honestly do think this woman's alot more bitter, controlling, and mean than her PR machine would like anyone to believe.
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Post by mymymy on Jan 4, 2012 16:04:37 GMT -5
Maybe it is all true but I am not going to believe one person anonymously telling information. What are her motives? I love how people love to tell their knowledge and appear like they have the inside scoop. And also her information is hearsay so I am not condemning a person until I hear it from Gerard.
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Post by bluebutterfly on Jan 4, 2012 16:36:07 GMT -5
i understand where you're coming from mymymy. we'll never get confirmation of any of this from gerry though. he knows better. hollywood doesn't allow you to be truly honest about your experiences. hence the "everyone is awesome and brilliant" script you get from actors and directors all the time i don't generally trust "inside" information either, however, alot of what is being said has been hinted at or implied by other sources as well.
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Post by lylak on Jan 4, 2012 16:52:24 GMT -5
Getting back to Gerry being snubbed - award voters are a notoriously lazy bunch inundated with so many DVD screeners to be watched in a short time that they can't possibly watch them all - so for most they go with the critics buzz at start of award season hence why Clooney and Pitt and that French bloke from The Artist are continually up for everything with the remaining 2 slots revolving amongst a few actors. SAG have been known to deviate from the norm with a far out nomination no one saw coming - this year it's a Mexican actor in a film very few have heard of. I genuinely believed Gerry's only hope for a nomination, after less than glowing reviews of MGP, was with HFPA as they are all about the stars and making great tv than it being about the talent. They like Gerry, have had him present twice and invited him to Installation Luncheon as well as announce nominations. So it's baffling to me how he didn't snag a nomination, even in supporting for Coriolanus. MGP and Coriolanus were departures for the audiences/critics perception of Gerry to be seen as more than an action hero/romcom guy and thankfully word of mouth on social media the public are impressed. My feelings are mixed on Relativity being in financial trouble and Gerry maybe not being aware when he handed them the reigns plus bad press re Sam making TPTB loathed to get 100% behind it incase any of it turned out to be true. I know in certain circles it was seen as an award push for Gerry and why it needed to be released when it was but on hindsight I'd rather they left it with Lionsgate to promote it the way they wanted as it might have at least made money. I'm hopeful when it's released on DVD people will discover it and word of mouth makes it a hit at last.
Gerry aside Coriolanus as a whole getting snubbed considering the glowing reviews by US critics is another WTF. I'm also shocked Gary Oldman is missing from major award nominations for Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy as he is very respected within the industry.
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Post by bluebutterfly on Jan 4, 2012 17:09:01 GMT -5
i agree about the laziness aspect, lylak. i saw an interview once with a U.S. politician where he flat-out admitted that he doesn't read many of the bills he gives his support to. i thought it was both brave and really foolish to admit that outright, even though most of us would say we suspected as much.
i'm willing to bet its the same with many of the awards, particularly the big ones. voters probably simply have go-to favorites that they put their support behind. as well as whoever/whatever the PR people have managed to direct their focus on.
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Post by Patty on Jan 4, 2012 17:38:04 GMT -5
Actually, mymymy, I am not anonymous, my name is Patty. I have no suspect motivations, I only wanted to give Gerry's fans a bit of insight into how the industry actually works. Fans often spin around in frustration not knowing what has happened and we can all spend months, if not years, speculating about different events. TBH was released almost two years ago and it is still a topic of discussion. I can understand anyone's trepidation about believing "inside" information. However, if you look hard enough, you can actually find at least the press releases from Miramax and Disney to corroborate what I have said. The original script from TBH (not the production notes) was available online as late as early 2010; I don't know if it still is. If you are a Jen Aniston fan, and can't believe anything bad about her, that is unfortunate. But, if you look at her objectively and read her material and watch her behavior, you would understand that I am not off the mark at all. Nor are the countless people who hate her as much as I do. Unfortunately, speculation is all most people have if they are fans of celebrities. It's why this site exists, in fact. You will never hear much of anything negative from any celebrity because it would ruin their careers, especially Gerry. As for Gerry, Gary, Woody and many others being snubbed this season, it seems like Hollywood is playing it safe. The offerings are odd at the very least. Clooney's performance in Descendants was far inferior to Ides of March, and Brad's performance in The Tree of Life was far better than Moneyball. Ryan Gosling is a joke on every level, but he's digestible for now, I guess. I haven't seen The Artist yet, but I've seen a few clips and the featurette; I am still not sold on it. But, it is unique and Harvey Weinstein may feel that it has a better chance at winning the big prize. It's tough to have two competing movies in the same category. But, I don't understand why he hasn't pushed Vanessa for Best Supporting Actress, since it wouldn't compete with The Artist at all. Maybe she hasn't been forgiven for her politics just yet. From what I've heard about Coriolanus (not having seen it myself), is that Gerry's role is critical, but not huge. Brian Cox's role is bigger and he may therefore be seen more as the Supporting Actor, as opposed to Gerry. As I and others have mentioned, maybe it's just not time for him and he has to work his way into a nomination, like Pitt and Clooney...and Sir Sean Connery. As long he gets there, I'm not as worried as I would be if he kept making bad movies. We may be surprised sooner, rather than later.
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Post by Dianne on Jan 4, 2012 18:23:45 GMT -5
Putting this aside, and for what it's worth I don't like Brad Pitt, I thought he was an asshole for jumping onto the Bush girls like he did. He made some kind of snarky remark about them. You didn't like President Bush...fine.... but leave his teenage (at the time) girls out of it. Just soured my stomach on him. Jen Aniston, (never liked her) I really think it's because I loathed Brad so my animosity for him bled into my feelings for her because she was married to the idiot. Birds of a feather you know.... Angelina Jolie: WHORE George Clooney: I was put off about his Oscar speech where he said something to the effect that people in his industry are so in tune to everything going on in the world and blah, blah, blah.... Smug bastard.... And these are the power people? I actually loved the South Park episode that was done about George Clooney's Oscar speech... I thought it was brilliant! That's one of the things I like about Gerry. I don't know what his political views are and I don't care. He's not pushing anything down our throats. I love him for that.
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Post by pothos on Jan 4, 2012 18:24:32 GMT -5
Can I add my feeling to this thread.
Last years Oscar winner was Colin Firth and if you are from the UK and of a certain age you will have watched this man's career fluctuate all over the place. I recall the hysteria that greeted his performance in the BBC's Pride and Prejudice. He was seen as some king of rock star and I have often wondered if that was part of the reason he left to settle in Italy. His work post P&P ranged from awful comedies and dire action movies to some decent period pieces that either got no cinematic release or he was a supporting cast member. Then came his performance in A Single Man and he ended up getting an Oscar nomination, a year later he wins for the King's Speech. So IMHO MGP and Coriolanus are as much about showing a wider audience his range (we already knew) and acting chops. This will serve him well in the future.
I think Gary Oldman should have been higher up the award ladder this year as well but not to be.
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Post by Dianne on Jan 4, 2012 18:29:51 GMT -5
Can I add my feeling to this thread. Last years Oscar winner was Colin Firth and if you are from the UK and of a certain age you will have watched this man's career fluctuate all over the place. I recall the hysteria that greeted his performance in the BBC's Pride and Prejudice. He was seen as some king of rock star and I have often wondered if that was part of the reason he left to settle in Italy. His work post P&P ranged from awful comedies and dire action movies to some decent period pieces that either got no cinematic release or he was a supporting cast member. Then came his performance in A Single Man and he ended up getting an Oscar nomination, a year later he wins for the King's Speech. So IMHO MGP and Coriolanus are as much about showing a wider audience his range (we already knew) and acting chops. This will serve him well in the future. I think Gary Oldman should have been higher up the award ladder this year as well but not to be. I love Colin Firth and Gary Oldman is brilliant in anything he does. Absolutely brilliant!
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Post by gersarchitect on Jan 4, 2012 18:42:06 GMT -5
Re Gerry's role in Coriolanus. I would say he has as much screen times as Cox (I have seen the movie in Toronto). Gerry has some great juicy scenes and acts circles around Ralph. For me he made the movie watchable. (overall it's just not my cup of tea plus I hardly understood them. If you're not familiar with Shakesperean English it's a tough one especially if English is not your native tongue.) Gerry was very charismatic in the movie and made so much of a character that didn't have huge emotional scenes like other characters. But he played a passionate character who has to keep his emotions under control with absolute perfection. Even some reviews I have read mentioned that he was Oscar worthy. He definitely had enough screen time for a supporting nod, others have been nominated for much less. But something weird has happened, the whole movie seems to get overlooked.
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Post by bluebutterfly on Jan 4, 2012 19:12:32 GMT -5
Re Gerry's role in Coriolanus. I would say he has as much screen times as Cox (I have seen the movie in Toronto). Gerry has some great juicy scenes and acts circles around Ralph. For me he made the movie watchable. (overall it's just not my cup of tea plus I hardly understood them. If you're not familiar with Shakesperean English it's a tough one especially if English is not your native tongue.) Gerry was very charismatic in the movie and made so much of a character that didn't have huge emotional scenes like other characters. But he played a passionate character who has to keep his emotions under control with absolute perfection. Even some reviews I have read mentioned that he was Oscar worthy. He definitely had enough screen time for a supporting nod, others have been nominated for much less. But something weird has happened, the whole movie seems to get overlooked. i think i'm actually more surprised that the entire movie and cast got ignored, since buzz and reviews on both have been overwhelmingly positive. gerry too, of course, but after the big deal reviewers have made about both redgrave and cox, i thought at least one of them would get a nod. have to see how the oscars pan out i guess, but i'm not holding my breath since all the "indicator" awards have ignored coriolanus for some reason. and not to start a fight with you Dianne, but i actually like Jolie
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