gerardsgurl
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Post by gerardsgurl on Jan 1, 2012 11:57:02 GMT -5
I am sorry, I don't know if this subject has been brought up before, I am new to this board so I am not that fluent in browsing previously discussed topics, so forgive me, What's been bugging me, is the continous snubness of Gerry, I thought he would score many nominations this awards season, for his portrayal of Sam Childers in Machine Gun Preacher, but obviously, I've epically failed, I don't know why Gerry isn't being recognized the way he should be, He is really talented and is really committed and devoted to any character he gets to portray, I thought 2011 has been a highlight in Gerry's career, but obviously, and to my surprise, people in the showbiz seem to disagree, This really makes me sad, I am so disappointed because I have been rooting for him since the release of Machine Gun Preacher
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Post by Dianne on Jan 1, 2012 12:15:29 GMT -5
I am sorry, I don't know if this subject has been brought up before, I am new to this board so I am not that fluent in browsing previously discussed topics, so forgive me, What's been bugging me, is the continous snubness of Gerry, I thought he would score many nominations this awards season, for his portrayal of Sam Childers in Machine Gun Preacher, but obviously, I've epically failed, I don't know why Gerry isn't being recognized the way he should be, He is really talented and is really committed and devoted to any character he gets to portray, I thought 2011 has been a highlight in Gerry's career, but obviously, and to my surprise, people in the showbiz seem to disagree, This really makes me sad, I am so disappointed because I have been rooting for him since the release of Machine Gun Preacher First of all you don't have to be real careful of repeating subjects here. We just want everyone to relax and enjoy themselves and we don't expect people to wade through tons of threads for fear of repeating a subject so no worries there. I'm with you. I really thought he would get some recognition but I have heard that Gerry angered a few big wigs by not playing their games. I heard one that pissed some people off was him not playing along with the publicity that he and Jen Aniston were a couple during Bounty Hunter. I'm on Gerry's side, I hate falseness and movie bigwigs acting as if the public is brainless. One example is the two stars of the Twilight series and their fake public romance. I'm glad Gerry didn't play along... After the movie junket was over Gerry would have been made the bad boy again that broke Jen's heart.
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Post by gersarchitect on Jan 1, 2012 12:26:41 GMT -5
I think for one thing Gerry's sexiness may make it harder to be taken serious as an actor. Its not fair but I do get the feeling if you're that good looking you have to make several critically acclaimed movies to get accepted as a great actor.
Unfortunately MGP flopped with critics and audience. It's not Gerry's fault, but usually a movie doing that badly will not be considered for major awards.
I have no idea why Coriolanus was snubbed though. That's the kind of movie the awards seem to love. After seeing how badly MGP was received I thought Gerry's team may switch and would lobby to get him a best supporting nod for Coriolanus. But I got the feeling it didn't get a proper release in time. There were screenings in LA and NYC but since they didnt show up on boxofficemojo I wonder if those were not considered a proper release.... I think that's a missed opportunity, that movie could have been a major awards frontrunner... I don't get it....
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gerardsgurl
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Post by gerardsgurl on Jan 1, 2012 12:52:28 GMT -5
Thanks for your kindness Dianne, I am not used to feeling free on any other board, because people would start cussing the moment a subject is repeated no matter how silly it is,
Gerry has so much integrity and credibility, it is so unfortunate to hear that this isn't quite pleasing to the showbiz masters,
I totally agree with you, it's a shame to believe that people don't know what's really going on and assuming they are brainless, I believe most of these on-set-blossoming romances are nothing but a hoax,
gersarchitect, I was totally rooting for Coriolanus as well,
As you mentioned, Coriolanus is a major awards material !!
I thought this would be Gerry's golden year, but they managed to have my ultimate dream crushed,
I love Gerry and I am so proud of him, but he needs to get the recognition he deserves,
I was also rooting for him for PEOPLE's magazine sexiest man alive, and yet, AGAIN, he didn't get any recognition, how disappointing !!
Do you think Gerry thinks about the "snubness" matter? Or does he overlook that?
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Post by gersarchitect on Jan 1, 2012 13:10:37 GMT -5
I do think he is very disappointed about being snubbed for the awards. I believe that he craves praise from his piers. He is insecure and needs encouragement... Plus he worked so hard on MGP and put a lot of tears and sweat in it, I can only imagine how heart broken he is that the movie didn't get much recognition. I would be devastated in his place.
Yes, I was rooting for him for sexiest man too but I think that doesn't matter to Gerry as much as getting accepted as a talented actor.
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gerardsgurl
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Post by gerardsgurl on Jan 1, 2012 13:26:01 GMT -5
It breaks my heart to know that Gerry is heartbroken, I can't even handle the thought of it I can't also understand why MGP was a major box office flop !! And yet, the haters out there are picking on him and calling him a B-List actor When I look at Gerry's recent photos, I kind of sense that there is hurt and pain behind those eyes and smile Am afraid those insecurities will start getting to him in a way or another
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Post by canadia on Jan 1, 2012 13:27:22 GMT -5
Keeping in mind that we still have a lot of award nominations and shows to go, I was surprised MGP didn't at least get some Indie Spirit award nominations, but the other issue this year is there is a lot of strong performances this year so the competition is already stiff and the actors that are the IT actors of the moment are going to get the noms. Like Fassbender. I am shocked that the Foreign Press Association did not give Coriolanus any award nominations because I thought at least Vanessa Redgrave would get a nod though Vanessa has burned some bridges I guess with her political stances in the past but I am quite sure Coriolanus will be getting British awards noms and we can cross our fingers and hope maybe one goes Gerry's way.
Gerry might also be a victim of Hollywood politics. The Weinstein Company are the distributors of Coriolanus and have given the film somewhat of an award push, Weinstein is famous for this but it seems, the film The Artist is his No. 1 pet project, it got 6 Golden Globe noms and it is also a critical darling so Coriolanus is on the back burner, they also changed the rules about Oscar campaigning so that could have had an effect, positive or negative. But the other issue is that Relativity Media picked up the US rights for MGP well Relativity and Weinstein are in the middle of a lawsuit and Gerry being a friend of Ryan, might have been seen siding with the wrong team, Weinstein is known to be very vindictive. But it also did not help that Relativity totally dropped the ball on the distribution. It also didn't help that the reviews were very mixed and most faulted Forster for the pacing of the film, trying to cover too much. And that is what it is. You can't predict what the critics are going to say.
On the other hand as well, Gary Oldman was snubbed by the Golden Globes and SAG and all the critics AGREE he deserves an Oscar for his role in Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy but Gary has never played the Hollywood game at all, much less than Gerry has ever tried so maybe he suffers because he and his team don't know how to play the game AND Gary did get into a tiff with Dreamworks many years ago and they never forget in Hollywood. [It is like a petty childish high school I think sometimes - get over it, move on]
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Post by gersarchitect on Jan 1, 2012 13:39:55 GMT -5
When I look at Gerry's recent photos, I kind of sense that there is hurt and pain behind those eyes and smile afraid those insecurities will start getting to him in a way or another IMG]http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww236/weirdlygerry/dno.gif [/IMG] [/quote] Yes, I noticed that too and even Sam Childers mentioned in an interview that Gerry is disappointed about what happened to MGP. I think they kind of dropped the ball on Coriolanus with a lack of proper release before the nominations deadline on top of everything else Canadia mentioned...
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Post by canadia on Jan 1, 2012 13:42:42 GMT -5
All actors need validation. Some just need critical validation some want the box office some want awards some want or need it all. Anyone of us who works hard at something, pours heart and soul likes to be acknowledged for it, whether a pat on the back, a bonus, a kind word, and actors tend to be personality types that need it more than the rest of us. That is why they are attracted to the bright lights.
However I think it is a mistake to put the cart before the horse. I think you pick your projects that you are passionate about and put your heart and soul into it but don't even think about oh maybe this could be me an Oscar. I think that almost a jinx or you are setting yourself up for disappointment. You just keep trying to do better and better quality scripts and stretching yourself, keep stretching yourself as an actor and any awards or accolades is a bonus. You have to do it for the art first and foremost.
Gerry at least has elevated his status as an actor over the course of those two movies. I am a bit concerned that Playing the Field could be a step backwards but it could be a big step forward if they did this movie right and at this point I am hopeful that they have. But IMO and others may disagree, Gerry needs to stay away from anything remotely resembling a romcom for the foreseeable future. If PTF is labelled a comedy and not a romcom we're good but I can already see the 2012 movie articles referring to this as a romcom and I wince. He really needs IMO to stick to more dramatic roles if he really wants to elevate his status as an actor to the next level. I think Mavericks movie was in fact a very good choice so that's good news. Hopefully Curtis Hanson's illness near the end of filming won't hurt the movie. If this could be the surfing movie that the surfers love, this could be very good. In fact Gerry might really surprise us, this might be what MGP was supposed to be.
I know Gerry like variety but there is variety in dramatic roles, a lot of action or dramatic films have elements of comedy in it think RocknRolla and if Guy is really ready to make the sequel now and since Sherlock Holmes 2 is killing it at the box office he certainly has the money and clout now. Except now all the actors will be much more expensive. Since the careers of Gerard, Tom and Idris have exploded since that film. Even the guy who played Johnny Quid I think. But I digress.
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Post by gersarchitect on Jan 1, 2012 13:58:55 GMT -5
Totally agree about him having to stay away from romcoms. I am concerned about PTF as well.... We'll see.
Yes, would love to see a RnR sequel. Actually surprisingly Toby Kebell's career (Johnny) didn't take off like Elba's, Hardy's or Mark Strongs. He was in a few supporting roles (in Prince of Persia and War Horse), but nothing major. But the RnR cast is so much more famous now and Ritchie's name is more mainstream now so that could breath new life into a RnR franchise.
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Post by irishrockchick on Jan 1, 2012 17:25:03 GMT -5
I feel Gerry has done great work and that he should get awards. But I don't think Gerry is an actor for the fame and awards. This guy is doing his job because he loves it and he gets to play a range of wonderful characters. How many people can say they get to use a sword at work. And to be honest how cool does he look with a sword anyway Gerry is cool and he'll get awards don't worry. We and other fans have apprehension and respect for the guy and he love his fans. I think he's a gentleman letting fans get their picture taken with him. But what I would really like for Gerry if the paps would give him a wee bit of personal space. God how rude can they be sometimes.
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Post by terezoulini on Jan 1, 2012 19:17:16 GMT -5
After what happened this year with Coriolanus, I honestly cannot understand what the rules of the game are. When you see it you will understand how amazing at least Vanessa is in it and what amazing directorial work Ralph has done and you will never understand why they were overlooked at the awards so far. And if these two critically acclaimed actors can be overlooked, imagine what happen to Gerry.
On the other hand you have people like Ryan Gossling getting 2 nominations! I have not seen the Ides of March but I saw the comedy he has been nominated for and honestly I cannot see why? If there has ever been an overrated actor it's Ryan Gossling, yet the powers that be seem to consider him the IT thing and everyone is pushing for him. This has never happened for Gerry, even after 300, and we will probably never understand why. I get the fact that they wanted him to be an action star and nothing more but he is an actor, but surely they are not punishing him for that!
On the other hand, even though I as a fan who has seen Gerry's earlier work in the UK really understand how talented he is, I have to admit that I cringed when I started reading all those Relativity initiated articles about how MGP was going to be Gerry's ticket to the Oscars. IMHO, the powers that be were not ready yet to see Gerry under that perspective. Let's be honest, you cannot do a movie like The Bounty Hunter and then expect people to forget all about it and start raving about you as an actor because you decided to do MGP and some Shakespeare. I honestly think that TBH did huge damage to his credibility, it was one comedy too many and unfortunately a very bad one. It took Gerry back to square one. With MGP and Coriolanus, I thought it would have been better if the audience and the critics were allowed to make up their own minds and if they liked what they saw all the better. This is the approach that was taken with Coriolanus and so far it has worked wonders for Gerry. People were surprised he was chosen for the role, go to see the film expecting very little from Gerry and then they are pleasantly surprised and they talk about it. With MGP, Relativity started building such high expectations to critics and audience that when they actually had a chance to watch the film they were probably expecting the second coming. The film and Gerry were too hyped for their own good. Gerry and the other actors were very very good, the performances were there but somehow the film itself did not deliver as an entity the way we would hope and all the hype backfired and Gerry paid the highest price for it.
Having said that, I think that MGP and Coriolanus are everything but a waste of time and blood, sweat and tears for Gerry. Maybe they were overlooked as far as awards are concerned but the powers that be in Hollywood and cirtics and the audience (the wider audience, not us fans) have finally got a chance to see the side of Gerry we already know. So at the back of their mind, Gerry's credibility is being restored and if he makes the right choices the awards will come eventually. He needed to put himself on the map of credible actors, the rest will happen.
I also have to agree with what has already been mentioned. There is too much perception of him as a sexy man and this overshadows everything. É was thinking the other day, Ralph is a handsome unmarried guy, still he is seldom asked about his personal life, if he wants to get married, have babies etc. The interviews focus on his work. Gerry is constantly asked that sort of personal questions. I noticed that it got a little better with MGP, this time more interviewers wanted to know about the film and the character. But it's not easy to impose a balance. Clooney and Pitt have managed it but let's face it, our man has such raw masculinity, it's not easy to overlook it. But if he perseveres, I know eventually the rest of the world will see what we already know about his talent. And I have every trust in him because he makes his choices based on his passion and not thinking awards.
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Post by gersarchitect on Jan 1, 2012 19:57:14 GMT -5
Terez, you mention Clooney and Pitt... Even with them it took a long time until the critics and academy loved them. They had to proof again and again that they're not just pretty boys. And for Gerry it's going to be even harder.... Maybe because he doesn't always play along and his accent may be a bit of a hurdle too... Pitt wasn't all that accepted until he did "Benjamin Buttons..." and he was in his mid 40ies then....
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Post by bluebutterfly on Jan 1, 2012 21:48:50 GMT -5
I think you made some great points Terez. I too cringed when all the "oscar" hype started around MGP. felt like it came off pushy and presumptious on relativity's part, especially as you said coming off TBH.
as far as the stuff about being asked about his personal life goes, i have to say in all fairness that i think gerry's behavior in past years contributed to that pretty handily. not giving him grief over it necessarily, but he wasn't exactly a choirboy and he was honest about it. that got him a lot of attention that frankly i think may have worked in his favor as far as name recognition goes, but has backfired as far as career credibility is concerned. there are plenty of handsome men (depending upon your tastes of course) who are taken more seriously than gerry. and it's because among other things they either never fostered that reputation for themselves to begin with or settled into doing other stuff faster than he has.
again, not meaning to sound critical, just giving my opinion. personally, i miss the less careful, more open gerry from a couple of years back, i feel like that guy had more fun and looked happier in general overall than what i've seen from him anytime lately, starting around the beginning of 2010 right up until the present.
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Post by catty on Jan 1, 2012 22:21:43 GMT -5
I always wondered what would happen if the hype of MGP was not matched by reality of a critical & commercial success. Maybe the hype was all part of the marketing to sell the movie ?? who knows?? maybe Gerry will talk about it one day. Awards vs a commercial success - which one is valued more ? I find it more disappointing the movie was not promoted and seen by many people. And, the time & money that went into making the movie...... In terms of awards, I wonder if its a mixture - not being an American, his ladies man reputation ( pls get a girlfriend !! ) and some of his past movie choices. I think Gerrys time will come for awards. I love how he mix's up his roles and keeps us guessing. We may not always understand why he chooses the roles he does but i have no doubt he is working to plan and his goals. Hopefully, PTF will be a success - same with Mavericks.
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